While I admit what she did was terrible and I was as angry as anyone at the time, I do hope that no one here has a 15 year old daughter or grand-daughter or niece who gets brainwashed by a terrorist organisation into committing acts such as Begum did. Because her being brainwashed is what led to her and her friends heading off to Syria in the first place, and once there was probably terrified into committing any alleged acts. And of course she was raped several times out there. She needs to be removed from that hell-hole back to civilisation where she can be repatriated. She's still very young at 23 and is doubtless still scared stiff as to what could happen to her if she's left.
And before anyone starts, do not think I'm being flippant here, she's done some terrible things but in a so called civilised society such as ours, can we not offer some sort of understanding? Like I said, think how you would feel if your loved one was going through this.
And yes I fully expect this post to be ritually slaughtered.
“Shamima Begum, who left the UK for Syria to join the Islamic State group as a teenager, will not be allowed to return and fight her citizenship case, the Supreme Court has ruled.
The court said in a unanimous ruling that her rights were not breached when she was refused permission to return.“
I know feelings have probably changed since that decision was made but she’s no longer a British citizen so she should apply through the official channels if she wants to come here, unless she jumps into a dinghy.
She was apparently groomed. Call me sceptical, but I still feel that she’s capable of pulling the wool over the authorities’ eyes. She was old enough to make her initial decision and, to be honest, I don’t think she should be allowed back here. The country’s got enough to cope with at the moment.
YouTube - Andrew Drury reflects on his interviews with the ISIS bride. It is worth watching
He reveals the text he got from her about the death of her child (4 min 20 seconds approx.) and 7 minutes 54 seconds in is his report of how her three children died from lack of oxygen. I find that deeply disturbing.
Not a word of apology to her poor parents, who have not only had all the worry and heartache of her actions but who have been villified because of her and accused of being terrorist sympathisers. No, it's all about her.
It's a great pity the right of free speech isn't based on the obligation to say something sensible.
Attention has been focused for a long time on her rights, her age, her repatriation, her remorse etc. and I think people have forgotten that she was not the innocent child bride the luvvies like to portray
She was allowed to carry a Kalashnikov rifle and earned a reputation as a strict enforcer of ISIL's laws, such as dress codes for women. An anti-ISIL activist told The Independent that there are separate allegations of Begum stitching suicide bombs into explosive vests so they could not be removed without detonating.
(Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Shamima_Begum)
Probably not so much "allowed" to carry a Kalashnikov as "forced" to carry one, but it's nice to see the DM put aside for once. Wiki is as we know much more reliable.
The danger is if the UK back down on this issue, will it open the doors for others to come back, that must be a concern
I think that she will be allowed back if Im honest as the powers that be will cave in to pressure regardless of whether there is future danger from this person, and subsequently any others that are allowed back
Probably not so much "allowed" to carry a Kalashnikov as "forced" to carry one, but it's nice to see the DM put aside for once. Wiki is as we know much more reliable.
The paragraph that sentence is taken from refers to her role as a woman within the jihadist group so "allowed" is correct because most women do not carry weapons.
Don't ask me what I think of you, I might not give the answer that you want me to.
Fair enough then, but pre-brainwash I very much doubt it would cross a 15 year old girl's mind that it might be fun to wander round Syria armed with an automatic rifle. So I'd suggest she was still forced or at least coerced into such an action.
Has she actually said she was forced, coersed, raped several times, her babies died in suspicious circumstance etc? I'm asking because I don't read or listen to all the articles, and would have thought she would use these things as part of her argument. I'm more concerned that she waivers on being proud of belonging to a group that that carried out hideous crimes on British and other foreign Nationals. The fear and terror inflicted on David Haines and Alan Henning to name two, all the families have had their lives destroyed forever. She should remain where is and face her fate when the compound is closed down. However, I doubt no other country will want her, so I have to agree with Yorko, that she will eventually turn up back here costing the taxpayer millions to keep her in prison or under protection.
'The Shamima Begum delusion Supporters and critics both rewrite history' By Simon Cottee
In reality, Begum was not the victim of human traffickers, but a willing client and beneficiary of their criminal services. Her decision to go to Syria was stupid and short-sighted, but it was still her decision. And let’s not pretend that she was a vulnerable and clueless little girl, as she is now incentivised to retrospectively claim that she was. Far from it: she was a smart, brave, bolshie and precocious teenager. It took a lot of guts and cunning for her to go to Syria, and no one made her believe that the caliphate was a glorious idea. She enthusiastically believed in it, because she needed or wanted to, and because when she traded Raqqa for London, ISIS was a revolutionary political movement in the ascendant. She volunteered to join it and then paid for the services of a smuggler by stealing jewellery from her family, as did the other two girls she went with. This cannot, in good faith, be categorised as “trafficked”; to try to do so is an insult to the real victims of human trafficking, who are sexually enslaved against their will. And here’s the thing about the younger Begum that unthinking journalists like Baker can’t or won’t comprehend: she wanted to submit to the sexual enslavement of a god-fearing jihadi husband because the logic of her ideological-belief system commanded it. Far from being trafficked to Syria against her will, Begum wanted to go there because she felt it was a divine duty to join Isis and help build the nascent caliphate. To see Begum as groomed is to catastrophically fail to see the attractions of violent political movements, especially to the young who are impassioned and recklessness enough to join them.
The BBC has come under attack again for giving Shamima Begum more airtime. Last night (Tuesday) they broadcast a 90-minute documentary that "parades ISIS bride as a celebrity" just weeks after it launched 10-part podcast. Reviewer Christopher Stevens was not impressed www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11725185/CHRISTOPHER-STEVENS-reviews-nights-TV.html