I think this is very interesting and I am a little torn regarding it TBH
My first question is in the current climate why are people saying we should exempt NHS workers, what about all the others working in what are considered key occupations. Of course the NHS workers are important but so are the care workers, bus, train drivers and others
I have read about people paying taxes and NI so they should be exempt but as UK Born citizens we have paid for decades, sometimes if we are lucky without ever needing to use it
This may not be a popular view now but its something I do feel quite strongly about
With regard to NHS staff being exempt, no they shouldn’t be simply because we all pay our taxes. But I think the article is referring to migrant workers employed by the NHS being stung for a surcharge for NHS care whether they need it or not. This is a typical Tory stunt which is highly unfair when presumably these workers pay their taxes the same as we do. And to up the charge by over 50% is disgusting, but again typical.
It will start another rumpus next year when we Brexit (remember that little issue ) as all EU citizens who come here will be subject to it as well, interestingly enough this idea has been championed by lots of people as being a fair thing to do
I’m going to put this out there now, Ive paid my dues for over 40 years and luckily Ive had minimal need to use the NHS, so in effect Ive had next to nothing for my money as far as health care is concerned (of which I’m truly thankful) so I dont think it wrong to expect someone who hasn’t but the years in cash wise to pay more than me, do they deserve recognition and a pay rise, absolutely. I’m not that sure about the increase though and can see why that looks bad
And as I said in my original post what about the other key workers, shouldn’t they be getting the same consideration
I fully expect to be in a minority with my views but they are valid in my eyes
No one should be exempt from paying their taxes, but these surcharges should not be happening either. Regarding migrants, you can’t say they shouldn’t get NHS care if they’re paying their taxes, even if that has been for a short time. An 18 year old born and bred worker wouldn’t be denyed care just because they’ve not paid into the system for very long.
There is a difference in my opinion, generations of their family would have paid in and to me that makes a difference
Perhaps there should be a certain length of time when the extra payment could be dropped completely but this payment is nothing new and its only being called out now due to this virus, would people be taking up the cudgels so vigorously if this whole sorry thing hadn’t happen
I doubt it
And again I ask what about the other key workers
The NHS are doing a wonderful thing but others are too aren’t they
I have to say I didn’t know about this surcharge before reading this thread, but I do maintain that as long as any worker is paying their taxes, that should be the end of it. This includes other key workers too of course. I will add that I’m not including any illegal migrants here, if they’ve arrived in a dinghy, they can feck right off.
It’s a tricky one, because it applies to all people outside the EU who are working here on visas as opposed to being resident and will probably not stay in the country for a prolonged period.
The relief would have to apply to all health workers, not just for the NHS, and the £900 million it raises would have be found via taxes elsewhere by us. I think Boris was right to say it should be done by higher pay, which of course we also pay for.
Paying for health care, whether we need it or not, is done by all of us. Obviously, the chance of any of us not needing it at some stage either for ourselves or our children is remote, we all visit the doctor, dentist etc. I think the tax is right, I am pretty certain we would have pay for healthcare if we were working outside the EU on visas, unlikely most employers would be willing.
Perhaps a one-off bonus of sorts could be considered when things have settled down but it would have to apply to all nursing staff, physio, ward orderlies, care home staff, home help etc, including outside of the NHS. It would be hugely complicated as to where the line is drawn though. What about dental nurses, doctors receptionists etc?
They do need a reward for this pandemic for sure, however long it is.
"I am pretty certain we would have pay for healthcare if we were working outside the EU on visas" - damn right we would, Frazz, and within the EU too. We have friends who have travelled the world for work and have always had to pay, most especially during their last stint in the RoI.
Strangely, they never paid tax on their salaries in Hong Kong and because she stopped work when they had their son and claimed child allowance, she is now getting pensions from Thailand, Norway and the RoI. That I don't understand.